More expensive migrations, with less functionality

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gabrieles
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Re: More expensive migrations, with less functionality

Postby gabrieles » Thu May 23, 2019 8:09 am

pup_seba wrote:This is just my personal opinion, but, it just seems that zimbra is taking all the wrong decisions you can take, unless of course you are just trying to kill the product.
- Almost no participation in its comunity
- Not providing a bug report system
- Outdated and incomplete documentation
- Outdated training materials
- No certification program
- No (real) traning for partners
- 1 or 2 bugs fixed...every 2 weeks!
- Fingers crossed for support given to be provided by either us or eu teams. When support is provided from india, the experience is behyond dissapointing.
- Things "forgotten" in its code...like still having the attributes for cluster always on in its code...
- Not caring about user, partner, community feedback
Maybe I'm wrong with all of this, is just that I am quite confused and can not understand it :/


You have my complete agreement
By now we fear upcoming releases, it seems that there's a specific department that has the only task to find something that works perfectly and replace it with something broken.
There's someone that every morning holds a meeting and decide what working feature will be ruined in the next release.
The bugzilla works? There are problems on it? No? Close it!
The old faithful backup works? Why not replace it with the new backups with zero documentation and zero support on them?
Users are still using the legacy backups? Let's remove them completely in the next version.
And all the subsystem connected to them, like the zmmboxmove, the zmblobchk...? Ah, true..
The customers are enthusiast of the first Drive connected to Nextcloud? Let's switch to a new embedded Drive (another? even with no relations with briefcase...) system and leave the opendrive only support the old Nexcloud 13.
Companies using old Domino want to switch to zimbra? F### them, we don't want them! They are not worthy to use zimbra, let's contrast them removing the migration tool.
Companies using Exchange want to leave it? You have to do it quickly, because the migration tools are being put in retirement...
And these are just a small part of all the complaint I hear every day.

By now It looks like a perfect product suicide.


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Re: More expensive migrations, with less functionality

Postby 7224jobe » Thu May 23, 2019 8:39 am

gabrieles wrote:
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Users are still using the legacy backups? Let's remove them completely in the next version.
And all the subsystem connected to them, like the zmmboxmove, the zmblobchk...? Ah, true..
...



That is alarming :shock: No more rolling updates then :o
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Re: More expensive migrations, with less functionality

Postby Klug » Thu May 23, 2019 9:56 am

7224jobe wrote:That is alarming :shock: No more rolling updates then :o

Actually you can still do rolling updates, you have to deal with the limits of the current solution.

The thing is you can only do rolling updates between servers running the same "subsystem" (either legacy or NG).
You can not do a "rolling update" from legacy to NG.

In other words, if you want to do a rolling update from 8.6 to 8.8.last-NG (the current version), you'll have to setup the new server with 8.8.last-legacy (no NG modules).

Then, once you've moved all your mailboxes to the new server, you can switch it from legacy to NG.

That means more space used (both backup systems for a while) and especially more time spent...


Oh, and I forgot: I totally agree with Pup_seba and Gabrieles.

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